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		<title>By: hendron&#8217;s digest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On the Romanticism of Books</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>hendron&#8217;s digest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On the Romanticism of Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] The post I made last week on books, Google making us dumb, and the like, has been a popular meme on the Web, especially so among educators. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I feel that the internet has provided with a more immediate source for information, but in terms of dumbing us down I guess its a matter of taking responsibility in the way we acquire information. I still feel that the invention of the printing press is the foundation of how information became accessible to the masses. If anything the information provides information, facts, figures, opinions et al in a manner that makes it easier to get at when it comes to the Internet. I am off the cross over generation, sandwiched between boomers and Gen X. I find the internet just another tool for knowledge, entertainment and communication. But still nothing beats the turning of a page, the simplistic almost Zen act of holding, reading and absorbing information in a more sensory and tactile manner. Definitely fodder for thought the article though.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the internet has provided with a more immediate source for information, but in terms of dumbing us down I guess its a matter of taking responsibility in the way we acquire information. I still feel that the invention of the printing press is the foundation of how information became accessible to the masses. If anything the information provides information, facts, figures, opinions et al in a manner that makes it easier to get at when it comes to the Internet. I am off the cross over generation, sandwiched between boomers and Gen X. I find the internet just another tool for knowledge, entertainment and communication. But still nothing beats the turning of a page, the simplistic almost Zen act of holding, reading and absorbing information in a more sensory and tactile manner. Definitely fodder for thought the article though.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like this discussion! I read the article today and what I got out of it was that the author is questioning how his brain is actually changing due to the use of the Internet and Google. There is much evidence now that what we do does actually physically change the brain (exercise is known to be good for learning and memory, for example).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that as this happens, if one wants to be able to retain the skills and attention to reading long passages of text like a 300 page book requires, then one must make a conscious choice to practice and do this activity. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For me personally this is something that I try to do--read books. Yet as a technologist I also use the Internet and encourage its use when appropriate. As I read the article I was reminded of a comment made years ago by David Brancaccio when he was the host of NPRs "Marketplace." He said something about the fact that he enjoyed reading a physical newspaper because it allowed him to skim the articles as he turned the pages. With the Internet, he said, it was too easy to pick and choose only the articles he wanted to read and therefore not see something that he might enjoy as he skimmed with the physical paper. I found the thought interesting and to a large degree I found myself in agreement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good article and a good discussion. Thanks for starting this John!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this discussion! I read the article today and what I got out of it was that the author is questioning how his brain is actually changing due to the use of the Internet and Google. There is much evidence now that what we do does actually physically change the brain (exercise is known to be good for learning and memory, for example).</p>
<p>I think that as this happens, if one wants to be able to retain the skills and attention to reading long passages of text like a 300 page book requires, then one must make a conscious choice to practice and do this activity. </p>
<p>For me personally this is something that I try to do&#8211;read books. Yet as a technologist I also use the Internet and encourage its use when appropriate. As I read the article I was reminded of a comment made years ago by David Brancaccio when he was the host of NPRs &#8220;Marketplace.&#8221; He said something about the fact that he enjoyed reading a physical newspaper because it allowed him to skim the articles as he turned the pages. With the Internet, he said, it was too easy to pick and choose only the articles he wanted to read and therefore not see something that he might enjoy as he skimmed with the physical paper. I found the thought interesting and to a large degree I found myself in agreement.</p>
<p>Good article and a good discussion. Thanks for starting this John!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think we're switching from deep reading to skimming because skimming really is better.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I read books for learning, I learned the set of ideas and connections that an author has made and chose to write about. When I skim the Internet to learn, I am the one making the connections among hundreds of works, and I am the one building an idea from the best thoughts of a hundred blog posters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At the very least, it's made learning more interactive and less about pouring books into a bucket on top of my neck.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re switching from deep reading to skimming because skimming really is better.</p>
<p>When I read books for learning, I learned the set of ideas and connections that an author has made and chose to write about. When I skim the Internet to learn, I am the one making the connections among hundreds of works, and I am the one building an idea from the best thoughts of a hundred blog posters.</p>
<p>At the very least, it&#8217;s made learning more interactive and less about pouring books into a bucket on top of my neck.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MW:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can't say for certain in the case I mention, but I get your point. And that was my point--in the original comment I made on Warlick's blog--that it is critical to teach the use of the tools used.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Research needs retaught, writing on a computer needs retaught, writing blogs, communicating, etc., etc., requires pedagogy that takes into account the tools (technology) being used.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is why, I am sure, when teachers tell kids to take notes, and they see something being scribbled down, that's adequate. Whoa! Do they know how? Do they know how to use what they wrote? Heck no, unless someone else has already taught them a strategy. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just did a video outlining how to "summarize, not plagiarize." I'm not 100% satisfied with it, but you can &lt;a href="http://www.glnd.k12.va.us/resources/video.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;take a look here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MW:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say for certain in the case I mention, but I get your point. And that was my point&#8211;in the original comment I made on Warlick&#8217;s blog&#8211;that it is critical to teach the use of the tools used.</p>
<p>Research needs retaught, writing on a computer needs retaught, writing blogs, communicating, etc., etc., requires pedagogy that takes into account the tools (technology) being used.</p>
<p>This is why, I am sure, when teachers tell kids to take notes, and they see something being scribbled down, that&#8217;s adequate. Whoa! Do they know how? Do they know how to use what they wrote? Heck no, unless someone else has already taught them a strategy. </p>
<p>I just did a video outlining how to &#8220;summarize, not plagiarize.&#8221; I&#8217;m not 100% satisfied with it, but you can <a href="http://www.glnd.k12.va.us/resources/video.php" rel="nofollow">take a look here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: M.W.</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>M.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John, 
What you just mentioned in your reply is the TEACHER's Fault not he kid's. Students will work up to the bar you place in front of them, no matter how high or how low you set it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
What you just mentioned in your reply is the TEACHER&#8217;s Fault not he kid&#8217;s. Students will work up to the bar you place in front of them, no matter how high or how low you set it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bea, I think he is talking about the depth of reading, not breadth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think this notion is, in fact, somewhat nostalgic, but I also see negative effects when I see kids print what they find on Google and turn it in: "I've found it, it's mentioned here!"&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, the same student never really read it; they saw enough to skim and match what they were after.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When the tech changes, so needs to change the pedagogy and expectations.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bea, I think he is talking about the depth of reading, not breadth.</p>
<p>I think this notion is, in fact, somewhat nostalgic, but I also see negative effects when I see kids print what they find on Google and turn it in: &#8220;I&#8217;ve found it, it&#8217;s mentioned here!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the same student never really read it; they saw enough to skim and match what they were after.</p>
<p>When the tech changes, so needs to change the pedagogy and expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea Cantor</title>
		<link>http://www.johnhendron.net/digest/2008/06/11/google-dumbing-us-down/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>Bea Cantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don't understand. Reading on paper is different because we read slower and...What? Learn more? Does he have proof? I know I'm posting without reading the article, but I just don't think such claims have any merit. Being dismissive of new technologies is, I guess, very human. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don't think reading online is dumbing us down. I think we simply don't treasure text as we used to because of the sheer amount and variety at our fingertips. As a kid, I was fourth in line to read the newspaper. First my dad, then my mom, then my sister, and finally me. Each of us would take the time to check out every column and ad. Now, I can access the same newspaper's website any time of the day, and it doesn't look any more smudged or wrinkled for having been read before. I don't have to savor my turn with the paper before handing it over to my brother. Not only that, I know I can search and re-read any old day. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'm not understanding less of what I read, or remembering less. I just have different reading habits. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Could we make the same argument when we went from being an agrarian society to an industrialized one? We don't savor our food, or get enough nutrition from it because we don't grow it and prepare it ourselves? In the old days, farmers enjoyed the fruits of their labor. Now we shop at Ukrop's and snack our way through life...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand. Reading on paper is different because we read slower and&#8230;What? Learn more? Does he have proof? I know I&#8217;m posting without reading the article, but I just don&#8217;t think such claims have any merit. Being dismissive of new technologies is, I guess, very human. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think reading online is dumbing us down. I think we simply don&#8217;t treasure text as we used to because of the sheer amount and variety at our fingertips. As a kid, I was fourth in line to read the newspaper. First my dad, then my mom, then my sister, and finally me. Each of us would take the time to check out every column and ad. Now, I can access the same newspaper&#8217;s website any time of the day, and it doesn&#8217;t look any more smudged or wrinkled for having been read before. I don&#8217;t have to savor my turn with the paper before handing it over to my brother. Not only that, I know I can search and re-read any old day. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not understanding less of what I read, or remembering less. I just have different reading habits. </p>
<p>Could we make the same argument when we went from being an agrarian society to an industrialized one? We don&#8217;t savor our food, or get enough nutrition from it because we don&#8217;t grow it and prepare it ourselves? In the old days, farmers enjoyed the fruits of their labor. Now we shop at Ukrop&#8217;s and snack our way through life&#8230;</p>
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